About Dany’s visions in the House of the Undying…
aka the one where Linda likes to read too much between the lines…
A helpful set of lists for those who are confused:
Things that are NOT stupid:
-shipping a canon ship
-shipping a non-canon ship
-shipping a crack ship
-shipping two characters that are not even from the same universe and who would never meet or interact ever at all ever
Things that ARE stupid:
-Hating on people for shipping something you don’t like
-Tagging your hate
-Becoming genuinely offended by someone else’s ship
-Taking it all far too seriously and forgetting that the point of fandom is to have fun.
why do you like jon/dany as a couple though?
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WELCOME, MY SWEET ANON. YOU HAVE WOKEN THE DRAGON.
Ok I’m gonna stick to A Game Of Thrones and the first season of the show as I answer this for you anon, because I don’t want to spoil you or get too convoluted ok? ok
I ship Jon/Dany… well, simply put, I ship them because I think they’d be good together. Their narrative paths and personal development are leading them to be to strong, independent, powerful people, who will obviously have a large impact on the future of the Seven Kingdoms, and I think as a couple they would work well together.
You’ve probably heard/read that Sansa and Arya are called “two sides of the same coin”. This is because their experiences, journeys and reactions parallel one another in a beautiful way, and you can’t understand one fully without taking in another.
This is how I see Jon and Dany. If you’ll allow me some leniency here with my symbolism, I’ll explain it to you this way: if Arya and Sansa are two sides of the same coin, and together make up one whole, Jon and Dany are mirror images of one another - you can look at one and see them completely, but when you take them in together you begin to see them in a whole new light.
Dany and Jon’s lives parallel one another in many ways. They both grow up with a family (Jon with the Starks and Dany with Viserys), and yet they are both isolated from completely belonging to the unit, and this causes them a great deal of pain in their formative years. At the narrative’s beginning they are both leaving the familiarity of their family dynamic to venture into uncharted waters - Jon with the Night’s Watch and Dany with Drogo/the Dothraki.
They’re both quite young, and they don’t really know the specifics of who they are yet; that’s something they grow into throughout the course of the book, with Jon finding his place among the Night’s Watch (the true family he never had) and Dany becoming enveloped into the Dothraki (the culture and connection to a history she has always felt she lacked). Of course, the process isn’t as smooth as that, and they both face complications in their new homes. But it’s not simply that their stories are similar, or that these things are happening around them, but the fact that they react in such an analogous way that makes me ship them.
Ok, let’s look at the tv series. Another thing that makes me ship these two so much is that their stories are being filmed to conincide. It’s often that in an episode Jon’s segment with direct precede or follow Dany’s - it’s like they want us to think of one alongside the other. This explains what I mean - and leads me to my next point.
The best example I can think of Jon/Dany and their similarities is in episode 4. In this episode Jon’s story revolves around the arrival of Samwell to the Night’s Watch, his protection of Sam, and his eventual defiance against their instructor. The episode is meant to show that Jon may be unhappy with his position at the Wall, and he may be struggling with himself, but he holds a very definite set of values, and uses his position to defend those who need his help.
Dany showcases a similar kindness when Viserys confronts her after manhandling one of her servants. She pretty much schools Viserys, showing a strength to her character that she’s always had, but not yet enforced, and it’s a defining moment both within the show and to the responder: this is who Dany is. And she is strong.
Then, of course, is their “rebirths” - Jon is frequently told by those around him that his old life is “dead”, and that the Night’s Watch is his family now, but his transformation is not solidified until he stops himself from joining Robb and fully accepts his place among the Night Watch. Dany also says her farewells to her life with Drogo, and in doing completes her transformation into the last dragon.
Dany and Jon are also connected via the Mormonts, and this has always seemed more than a coincidence to me. Jon is given the Valyrian sword meant for Jorah; in the same episode Jorah speaks to Dany of his father, the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. Add to this that Aemon Targaryen is a member of the Night’s Watch, and tells his story to Jon. There’s also a popular theory about Jon’s parentage that could connect the two.
I like the thought that there are these two people, who have probably never heard of one another, living worlds away but still facing the same trials, and become two people so alike that it seems simple for me to ship them. I would add to this that both have famililars in the dragons/Jon’s direwolf, but I think that they serve different purposes within the novels, and don’t particularly pertain to Jon/Dany in a significant way.
Of course, when they meet they could have a dynamic that doesn’t resonate with me, or could menan little to one another, and so I won’t ship them - but I’m pretty good at taking a literary hint, and I have a very strong feeling that these two are going to find their lives colliding more than once.
Also, dude. Think of how crazy photogenic they would be.
I’m just going to make a post that is not spoiler, is just “history” and you all should be aware of this before asking me anything in the askbox like the latest 5 “not-so-polite” questions.
This is not about Jon and Dany, is only about her, but if you read the books you’ll know what I mean. This girl is the DAUGHTER of the dragon, and by dragon is not meant only her father, her blood is 100% Targaryen, her parents were brother and sister. Targaryens married each other since forever to keep their bloodline as pure as possible. So, before you start talking again about incest and bla bla bla bla bla, read THIS. I really don’t understand why is it ok to marry a first cousin in a Jane Austen novel, but it’s not ok in A Song of Ice and Fire. Double standards, anyone?
Also, I’m not at home and I can’t give you any title of books to read (oh btw, if you guys want to suggest some history books that mention this matter, please reblog this post and add what you want!) but I really want you to open your mind and read something that is not a fashion or a gossip magazine, so read THIS and probably you didn’t know THIS and THIS either.
You are thinking about this couple like a CW ship. Well, it’s not. This is a Medieval ship and all the rules that apply to that period in reality apply to the books too. But if we don’t want to talk about Middle Ages we can talk just about Royalty and the fact that to keep their bloodline pure, royals always married each other first cousins, brothers, uncles or aunties, another more recent example? Queen Victoria (1819 – 1901) married her first cousin Prince Albert. That’s how we roll in Europe, we are sorry if this bothers you to no end but we don’t care. Seriously guys, this not even about what you like or you don’t like anymore, it’s FUCKING HISTORY. READ A FREAKING BOOK FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!
P.S. Most of the people who sent me messages are Americans and I remember clearly that some of you said the words “disgusting”, “obscene” and “illegal”. Well, just take a look at THIS and have a nice day.
A Song of Ice and Fire Shipping Disclaimer
Sooo, over the past few days, I’ve seen many people around who are ”disgusted” etc. by certain ships in ”A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones”. When I see all those things, I kinda feel guilty for all the weird ships I love, and constantly feel like I need to defend myself and everyone else who loves them (and trust me, we’re thousands). So what are those ”digusting” ships? They are ships of ”incest, slash, huge ade difference”. Uuum ok. I get it. Those ships would INDEED be awful in the modern world (minus the slash, of course). Like, if I shipped WAAAALT with Rose on Lost, I would be mentall. But this is not the real world, nor the modern world. It is a Medieval/fantasy world.
About the incest: Like it or not, incest was very common in our world. Back when people didn’t know the consequences, they did it like it was perfectly acceptable. Not three centuries ago, when Jane Austen wrote her novels, it was normal to marry your first cousin. EWWWW GROSS! You’ll say. I agree. But only because in the society I live, this is completely wrong. I’ve grown up in this society, and it is not acceptable. But back then, it was. Siblings were not allowed to marry, of course, but that was acceptable too, only several centuries back. Now, Jaime and Cersei are sad creatures, Cersei wanting to dominate the male version of herself, and Jaime truly loving a woman who was practically manipulating him, but there is a sense of injustice even there. I mean, the Targaryens were marrying brother to sister for centuries and nobody accused them! Jaime and Cersei grew up in a society where the royal family was allowed to marry brother to sister, but they were not allowed to do so. A sad, tragic couple, still. But it was officially normal for a certain family to marry brother to sister, and it was not for them.
Slash: If you still have a problem with homosexual couples….
Huge Age Difference: By huge, I don’t mean 40 years. More like 15-20. So that doesn’t happen today? Are you sure? It is happening today, and it can work out, much like many other types of couples can. All this crazyness with age difference started out quite recently in history. Again, in the Jane Austen era, Emma married a guy 16 years her senior, but people didn’t regard that as ”disgusting” because it was ”truluv” (don’t laugh!). Of course, there are many couples with huge age differences that I find disgusting, but that is not about the age difference itself, but about the abuse that might be involved. All these women that were forced to marry certain men, wether they were the same age, or older, or rich, or poor, hit them, or didn’t, all those women are in a sad position. It’s not the age difference, it is the abuse, the ”not letting them make their own decisions”. Age difference is a problem of modern society. There was a time, not that long ago, most people didn’t even know their age. An example from my own life: A year ago, I fancied a teacher of mine, and I thought he was about 28. Truth is, he was 42. When I learned that, I was shocked, because he looked sooo much younger! Still, if I lived in another period, I wouldn’t even care about that. I mean, it’s a biological thing. I liked him, he looked very young, I was very young, finitto! It’s because of they society I live in that I thought: ”Ewww gross!”. But in the ”asoiaf society”, things are still like they were in our very own medieval Europe. Which means, today’s rules and social norms DO NOT APPLY. They have nothing to do with asoiaf. Girls in asoiaf are or a ”marrying age” at around 12/15. Because, in medieval societies, people lived short lives, they matured more quickly,they were in danger of getting sick all the time,thus they needed to have children at a young age. It was a matter of survival, it was the norm, and nobody thought ”EWWW GROSS!”, especially if the man involved in the equation was not in the age of Jon Arryn, Walder Frey, Tywin Lannister, etc. Anywhere between 15-35 was fine. But what troubles me the most, is that people seem to forget the age of ”attractive men”. In the books, Sansa is 11, Dany 13, Sandor about 28, and Drogo surely above 30! DROGO IS 30 AND DANY 13! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? You’re not gonna say ”ewww gross” now, are you? Of course not, Drogo’s hot, and he and Dany are in love! But that, mind you, is a matter of luck. They happened to fall in love. What if they hadn’t? Wouldn’t you say ”ewww groos” then? But Sandor has a hideous burned face, so he is very old for Sansa, of course. Now, I have many objections to many relationships with huge age differencies in asoiaf, but the age gaps themselves are not my issue at all, because as we can all see, Daenerys managed to be happy with a much older man. If their relationship had remained as it was in the start, I would hate it, but it actually became a beautiful relationship, so I love it. But if their relationship had remained as it was at the start, I would hate it, and I wouldn’t blame the age difference for that. I would blame his abusive nature, or something. Oh, and those men are not pedos, fyi. Because those girls ”have bled” (classy Cersei quote is always classy), and therefore are women in the society they live in. Let us not forget, asoiaf girls are very politically invloved, leading similar lives to their lady mothers and the powerful older women around them. Thank you.
I know this post is terribly long and confusing. I know I have arranged my thoughts in a very random way. I know I may not even make sense because english is not my mother tongue. But even as it is, even if you disagree with everything I said above, please, please, do one thing: STOP APPLYING TODAY’S RULES TO A MEDIEVAL SOCIETY, AND STOP FORGIVING CHARACTERS FOR ”BEING OLD, THEREFORE NOT SHIPPABLE WITH TEENAGE GIRLS” BECAUSE THEY ARE HOT, WHEN IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HATE ON OTHER MEN JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SEXY/ HAVE BLUE EYES/ A SIXPACK/ WEAR EYELINER/ LOOK LIKE PRADA MODELS.
EDIT: That said, of course it is fine to hate Dany/Drogo, Dany/Jorah, Sansa/Sandor, Sansa/Jaime, or whatever you want, just not because of the age difference, please! There are plenty reasons to be found, just not this one!
I just had to get this out of my chest. It is like a disclaimer, so that we will have something to direct people to, when they call us crazy or mental or what have you. I’m tired of feeling guilty whenever I see all these posts, and I wanted to make this clear once and for all. I rest my case. Feel free to send massages, reblog, state your opinion in whatever way you want to. Thank you :)))
-biliki <3
Reblogging this because I TOTALLY AGREE with everything you said and it applies to Jon/Dany too if the R + L = J theory is true.
